Former Vice President Joe Biden, the apparent Democratic presidential nominee, outlined a slate of economic proposals Friday in a new interview but also ignited controversy by telling a radio host that black voters torn between voting for him and President Donald Trump “ain’t black.”

In an interview with CNBC, Biden pledged Friday that he would repeal the tax cuts signed by the president in 2017 and raise the corporate tax rate, and that he would not raise taxes on anyone making less than $400,000, as he seeks to outline his plan for U.S. economic recovery in the wake of the global coronavirus pandemic.

Biden gave some of his most detailed explanations of his economic policy. He rejected the idea that he would govern as an economic progressive, saying, “I have a record of over 40 years, and I’m going to be Joe Biden. Look at my record.”

But it was his comments at the end of a testy exchange with Charlamagne Tha God, a host on The Breakfast Club, a nationally syndicated morning show popular with black millennials, that has dominated the conversation online. In the interview, during which the former vice president sidestepped a question about marijuana legalization and his running-mate selection, Biden also made clear that he felt there was no reason black Americans would consider voting for Trump.

“If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black,” Biden said.

The remark sparked immediate pushback on social media, with activists and conservatives jumping on Biden, 77, for acting as the arbiter of blackness. His words also exposed wounds among Democrats that date to 2016, when many leaders felt the party took black voters for granted.


In another part of the interview, Biden assured the radio host that he intended to inspire black voters in the general election. Using the appeal that worked for him in the Democratic primary, Biden said black voters knew him and his record and would value his close kinship with former President Barack Obama.

On Friday morning, during the interview with CNBC, Biden said he would raise the corporate tax rate to 28%, more than its current rate of 21% but less than it was before Trump’s legislation, which lowered it from 35%. Biden also said he thought large corporations like Amazon should begin to pay their taxes, although he sidestepped a question on whether the large conglomerate should be broken up by the government.

“I think Amazon should start paying their taxes,” Biden said. “I don’t think any company, I don’t give a damn how big they are, Lord Almighty, should absolutely be in a position where they pay no tax.”

He continued, “What’s the capitalist system all about? The capitalist system is about everyone dealing fairly and dealing straight-up with the American people and with their employees.”

The details come as Biden continues his transition from apparent primary winner to general election nominee. He is seeking to unite the party around a forward-looking agenda that promises economic change while matching the historic economic challenges now posed by the effects of the coronavirus pandemic.

The latest jobs report showed millions more workers joined the ranks of the unemployed this week, bringing the total of jobless claims to nearly 39 million in just over two months. Biden has tried to pin the devastation on Trump’s administration, saying that it did not respond quickly enough to the looming pandemic threat.


“His slowness is costing lives and costing jobs and costing our ability to rebound,” Biden said Friday.

However, Biden’s comments were met with some criticism as several progressive Democrats questioned whether his outlined corporate tax rate — and his pledge to only raise taxes on Americans making more than $400,000 — was a sign he could not deliver the programs capable of expansive change. Biden has, at times, oscillated between moderate policy proposals and embracing the rhetoric of systemic upheaval, a choose-your-own-adventure strategy which can allow progressive and moderate allies to see in his campaign what they want.

In separate media interviews this week, Biden addressed his ongoing search for a running mate and his agenda for black Americans, a key constituency in the Democratic electorate that helped save his primary campaign. Several of the candidates on Biden’s vice presidential short list have publicly confirmed they have spoken with his team, including Rep. Val Demings of Florida and Sen. Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire.

After a news report said that Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota had been contacted by his vice presidential committee, Biden was asked about her on “The Late Show with Stephen Colbert.”

“No one has been vetted,” Biden said. “There is a team put together to go down a preliminary list of people, ask their interests, ask them general questions.”

Of Klobuchar, he said, “What you don’t want to do is let out all the names that you’re vetting because if someone is not chosen, the presumption is not necessarily true that there must be something wrong. That’s not the process.”